Don and Ellen met at UW-Madison; Ellen as an undergraduate and Don as a graduate student in physics. Met at a new student mixer. Don and Ellen speak to the political climate on campus and participation in war protests. In the late sixties, Ellen especially became aware of and participated in Black Studies movement and anti-war movement. Ellen describes gradually coming to the feminist movement. Don had office in Sterling Hall; the bombing had a major impact on the Physics Department, personally and professionally. Both speak about the profound life changes they experienced at UW, and about the push-pull of social and cultural views and movements.